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Filed by TD Ameritrade Holding Corporation Pursuant to Rule 425
Under the Securities Act of 1933
And Deemed Filed Pursuant to Rule 14a-12
Under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934
Subject Company: TD Ameritrade Holding Corporation
Commission File No.: 0-49992
This filing relates to the proposed transactions pursuant to the terms of that certain Agreement
and Plan of Merger, dated as of January 8, 2009 (the Merger Agreement), by and among TD
AMERITRADE Holding Corporation (TD Ameritrade), Tango Acquisition Corporation One (Merger Sub
One), a wholly owned subsidiary of TD Ameritrade, Tango Acquisition Corporation Two (Merger Sub
Two), a wholly owned subsidiary of TD Ameritrade, and thinkorswim Group Inc. (thinkorswim).
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Moderator: Bill Murray
April 21, 2009
7:30 am CT
Operator: Good day everyone and welcome to the TD Ameritrade Holding Corporation March quarter
2009 earnings results conference call. Todays call is being recorded.
With us today from the company is President and Chief Executive Officer Fred Tomczyk; and
Chief Financial Officer, Bill Gerber.
At this time, Id like to turn the call over to Bill Murray, Managing Director of Investor
Relations, Communications and Public Affairs. Please go ahead, sir.
Bill Murray: Thank you, Operator. Good morning everyone and welcome to the TD Ameritrade March
quarter earnings call. Hopefully, youve had a chance to review our press release. If you
havent it can be found on the amtd.com along with our todays presentation.
Before we begin, Id like to note that this call contains forward-looking statements that
are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor Provisions of the federal securities laws. These
statements involve risks, uncertainties and assumptions that may cause actual results to
differ materially from those anticipated. You are advised to review the risk factors
contained in our most recent annual and quarterly reports, Forms 10-K and 10-Q, for
descriptions of risks, uncertainties, and assumptions related to the forward-looking
statements. Management will be discussing some non-GAAP
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financial measures such as EBITDA and liquid assets. You can find a reconciliation of these
financial measures to the most comparable GAAP financial measures in this slide
presentation.
This call is intended for the investors and analysts and may not be reproduced in the media
in whole or in part without prior consent of TD Ameritrade.
At this point, Id like to turn the call over to TD Ameritrade President and CEO Fred
Tomczyk, who will be followed by our CFO, Bill Gerber and then questions-and-answers. Fred.
Fred Tomczyk: Well, good morning everyone and thank you for joining us this morning. Im pleased
to report that we had another good quarter. We continued to deliver strong organic growth and
maintain excellent business fundamentals despite a very difficult market. At the same time,
we continue to put in place strategies to help mitigate the impact of things beyond our
control and to position ourselves for when things do turnaround. Our retail traders continue
to be active in the market and we continue to bring in new assets showing (salient) asset
gathering results for the past six consecutive quarters.
Our single biggest challenge continues to be the near zero interest rate environment,
something beyond our control. Net interest margins continue to compress as short and
long-term rates have fallen considerably. We remain focused on our fundamentals while
implementing strategies to mitigate the headwinds and will continue to build cash and take
advantage of opportunities that arise as a result of the dislocation in the market.
Three examples, we are making good progress on the thinkorswim acquisition and expect to
close in the June quarter. During the quarter, we bought back 6% of our out standing shares
at a very attractive price particularly compared to our current stock price. And we
continue to invest in driving organic growth which is reflected in our trades per day, new
accounts and net new asset metrics.
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I always want to spend a little time this morning talking about our revised cash management
strategy that were in the early stages of implementing.
Now, if you turn to slide 3, you can see some of the highlights of our second quarter. EPS
came in at 23 cents down from 31 cents in the same quarter last year as a result of the
significant reduction in the level of interest rates and the markets. This has impacted our
entire industry. This puts our year-to-date earnings per share at 54 cents. Pre-tax
margins were 43% and return on client assets was 40 basis points both down from last years
levels, but still very healthy margins that continue to be among the best in our industry.
Client assets for 225 billion down 27% from the same period last year. At the same time,
the S&P was down 40% and the Dow was down 38%. Client cash was 53 billion which represents
a historically high 24% of client assets. Our business fundamentals remain strong and solid
organic growth across our key growth drivers. Net new assets at $6.4 billion during the
quarter were gathered at an annualized rate of 11% as a percentage of our beginning assets.
This puts us among the market leaders. We average 325,000 trades per trade, the second best
quarter in our history and second only to the December quarter. Year-to-date we have
average 341,000 trades per day thats the best 6 months weve ever had in our history.
Gross new accounts were 194,000 for the quarter, bringing us to more than 400,000 new
accounts open so far this year. Our best 6 months result in 9 years.
Our financial strength and stability continue with our solid balance sheet, excellent
liquidity and strong financial performance we received three upgrades from various rating
agencies during the quarter and are now listed as investment grade, something we are very
proud of particularly in the current environment. And we ended the quarter with
approximately $1.2 billion in liquid assets.
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We used our strong cash position to buyback 36 million of our shares during the quarter at
an average price of $11.88. Thats a 22% discount to yesterdays closing stock price.
Now, if you turn to slide 4, you can see the results of our asset gathering efforts. We
continue to take advantage of dislocation in the market, bringing in asset from full
commission firms. Clients are looking for a stable and trustworthy investment services firm
with a strong value proposition, good functionality and great service. While we are still
early in our journey improved coordination between our sales, service, and marketing teams
along with our multi channel approach are proving to be increasingly effective in the
market. We generated 6.4 billion in net new asset in the quarter and are at 14.3 billion
assets gathered year-to-date. That is more than $115 million in net new assets we have
gathered in each and every day in the last 6 months, despite a very challenging market.
For the March quarter, net new assets were 11% of beginning assets and year-to-date that
same ratio was at 10%. These organic asset gathering growth rates are on par with todays
premiere asset gatherers. We spent more on advertising this quarter, than we did in March
quarter last year and it continues to pay off. We opened 194,000 new accounts this quarter.
In the first 6 months of the year we have opened 410,000 new accounts, the most in 9 years.
That translates into 3,300 new accounts in each and every day so far this year. Our cost
per account was $274 for the quarter and $243 per account year-to-date.
Our advertising spots include relevant messaging such as theres never been a better time to
get a second opinion and its clearly working for us. Weve also refined our media strategy
moving placement to more high profile events like the NCAA basketball tournament.
We also continue to improve the quality of our services to clients in the both our
institutional and retail businesses. Our customer satisfaction and net promoter scores
continue to improve leading to continued strong client and asset retention rates. Better
coordination between our
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sales and service organization is also helping to bring in new business. Lead referrals
from our calls centers to our branches were over 600 referrals per day during the quarter,
and generated more than 600 million in client net new assets during the quarter.
We are on track to hit our full year 20 to $30 billion net new asset target. And over the
long term, we expect thinkorswim will be able to contribute to our growth in new accounts
and assets as we roll out an enhanced trading platform and we leverage their investor
education channel.
Turning to slide 5, you can see that we generated an average 325,000 trades per day in the
March quarter which is our second best quarter ever, and second only to the December
quarter. We retained our number one position average 341,000 trades per day in the first 6
months of the year. And so far, in April, we are averaging 381,000 trades per day. Now, in
addition to intra day volatility two important factors are helping to drive our trading
levels. First, we have more clients. And we have a more experienced client base. Over the
last three years, our overall trading levels grew at a compound annual growth rate of 12%.
But more importantly this was on the strength of our organic funded account growth in the
same period. Funded accounts were up 7% while trades per funded account grew at 5% compound
annual growth rate.
Certainly intraday volatility helps trading, but it is important to note that the overall
maturity over our client base also contributes to retail trader engagement. We have some
very market savvy clients including many that went through the last downturn. Theyve seen
tough markets and are confident and experienced enough to trade even during the down times.
We continue to provide clients with risk management tools and techniques as well as
educational programs that they need to continue to trade with confidence regardless of
market conditions. Clients are using options to manage risk and they placed more
conditional trades in March than ever before. More clients are taking advantage of our
investor education opportunities. We had more than 20,000 registrations for our education
courses during the quarter.
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Now, we have said before that our independent research shows that the active trader segment
is a 5 to 12% growth business. Our results clearly bear that growth out.
We expect to expand our number one share with the acquisition of thinkorswim and drive even
higher trading levels. Thinkorswim had solid results in the March quarter and we look
forward to closing this deal in the near future. In fact, had we closed the thinkorswim
acquisition on January 1 our combined trading volume during the quarter would have been
almost 400,000 trades per day.
Now, Ill turn to slide 6. Now, with this near zero interest rate environment and the
events of last fall, we saw a need to revise our cash management strategy. Over the next 12
months, we expect to migrate 10 to $14 billion of our client suite funds currently held in
money market funds over to an improved MMDA offer that is lined up with our client
segmentation strategy. The MMDA offer will be the sole suite vehicle for all of our clients
except for our top tier retail clients at our RRAs. We will improve the yield on our MMDA
offering on a segmented basis such that the yield the client receives is the same or in
higher tier segments better than they are currently earning on most money market funds in
our current suite offering.
We will also introduce an investors savings account with higher yields for those investors
looking to park cash for a period of time without giving up their liquidity. The design of
this product is such that we expect it to minimize the impact on our MMDA balances. For
example, savings account will require a 25,000 minimum balance to receive an approved yield.
It will not be available as a suite vehicle and there will be a limit on the number of
transactions.
Clients are looking for three things in their suite deposits. First, capital preservation;
second, liquidity and third, yield and in that order. We feel that our improved MMDA offer
with a triple A rated bank like TD Bank backed by FDIC insurance with a reasonable yield is
the best product for the vast majority for our clients. It is the suite vehicle that best
meets their needs and objectives.
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And for the companys perspective, especially in markets like the current one the MMDA offer
with our partner TD Bank is also better for the company. Our clients funds are with one of
the strongest banks in the world and backed by FDIC insurance. And from a profitability
point of view, we expect this change to impact net interest margins but to revenue and
earnings neutral in fiscal 2009 while positioning us for improved profitability when
interest rates due rise and the yield curve steepens. Our new cash management strategy is a
win-win. Its better for the client. And its better for TD Ameritrade shareholders.
Turning to slide 7, now as I said earlier, we had another strong quarter, but like others in
our industry were facing some very real headwinds particularly the near zero interest rate
environment. We also face an environment of market uncertainty. Margin lending has come
down significantly in line with market valuations. And regulatory costs are climbing. We
will continue to plan for an economic environment that does not improve over the balance of
our fiscal year. But despite these challenges we are very proud of our results for this
quarter and for the last 6 months. Yes, theyre lower year-over-year due to the near zero
interest rate environment and the lower markets. But we continue to maintain a strong
balance sheet, excellent liquidity and we continue to deliver solid organic growth. Our
organic growth metrics speak for themselves. Record trading volume. The best new account
growth in 9 years and net new assets growing at double digits.
The management team remains focused on managing expenses, making smart decisions that allow
us to deliver these kinds of results in this environment, while positioning ourselves to
emerge as an even stronger company as we come out of this cycle. We have a strong balance
sheet and cash position. Our financial strength allows us to take advantage of the current
dislocation in the market and capitalize on opportunities we see. We agree to acquire
thinkorswim the fastest growing broker in the online broker space and a leader in training
and education which will enhance our competitive position.
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We completed a $38 millions hare buyback at a very attractive price. Were delivering
organic growth at a record pace and are at part with the premiere asset gatherers in our
business. And were in the process of rolling out our revised cash management strategy. We
have a strong successful business model that is delivering value for our current clients and
bringing in thousands of new clients and million dollars of assets each and every day.
Weve been saying that the dislocation in the market drives opportunity and we have been
delivering on this opportunities to the long-term benefit of our clients, our associates and
our shareholders.
Now, Id like to turn the call over to Bill Gerber to walk you through the details.
Bill Gerber: Thanks, Fred. Good morning everyone.
Last quarter, we talked about the headwinds we were facing particularly with net interest
margin compression. Those challenges continue for us this quarter as expected. However, we
are extremely proud of the growth we achieved in the face of these pressures. Earnings may
be down year-over-year but our business fundamentals continue to perform well.
As Fred mentioned, we were also upgraded to investment grade by the three major rating
agencies. We believe we are the only financial services company to be upgraded to
investment grade this year. We are very proud of this accomplishment.
Now, lets take a closer look at our quarterly and year-to-date results on slide 8. On the
slide you can see both the March quarter results and our year-to-date numbers. The
year-to-date numbers are mostly for reference so I will focus on the March quarter. Excuse
me.
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On line 1, you can see our transaction based level exceeded last years levels. This is
primarily thank you a little water this is primarily due to increased trading that
Fred mentioned earlier. Additionally, the commission rate was almost flat year-to-year at
$13.40 but included slightly less options trading a year versus a year ago, offset by
stronger payment for order flow this year. On line 2, asset based revenue was down 120
million or 32% from the same quarter last year and 176 million year-to-date. The driver
here is continued NIM compression as well as the fee waivers on money market fund we
mentioned last quarter. I will comment more on this in a few minutes.
On line 5, expenses before advertising were down 28 million from the same quarter last year.
About 12 million of this decline is due to favorable rates on our debt. The other 16
million can be attributed to the expense management initiative we detailed last quarter. I
will discuss this more later as well.
We spent approximately 53 million in advertising for the quarter and achieved the strong
account growth Fred cited earlier. Our advertising continues to work well in this
environment. As you can see on line 9, our pre-tax margin was 43% which continues to rank
us as one of the best companies in any industry let alone financial services. Our effective
tax rate for the quarter was 41% which is slightly higher that normal principally as a
result of effecting some new state tax rates on our deferred tax items this quarter. We
expect that the rate should drop back closer to 39% next quarter.
So our net income was 132 million or 23 cents in EPS. We believe we have done well in what
we can control, excellent account growth and net new asset growth and our expense management
efforts.
On slide 9, Id like to get into a bit more detail with regards to our asset based revenues.
You can see on line 4 asset based revenues were down 120 million from last year. A major
factor for this
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decline is the historic drop in interest rates you can see in lines 5 and 6. As I mentioned
earlier, we previewed this rate compression in each of our last several conference calls,
and we are now in the midst of that compression. Additionally, in January we explained that
money market fund fee waivers would eventually impact line 1 fee based revenues and that the
NIM compression would continue to impact line 2 spread based revenues. Lets take a moment
to discuss each one of these.
Fee based revenue was down 30 million. As you know fee based revenues are primarily made up
of two components money market fund fees and mutual fund fees. Of the 30 million decrease
about 70% was driven primarily by fee waivers on the money market fund side. We waived
these fees in order to keep our clients rates from going negative. Our blended rate on the
money market fund assets in the quarter was about 47 basis points versus 78 last year. The
balances were roughly flat year-over-year. We are currently at about 30 basis points on the
money market fees as of the end of March and do not anticipate having to waive our fees
below this level going forward.
On the mutual fund side blackness were down over 40% year-over-year over 12 billion as the
market values of the mutual funds have been dramatically impacted as we all know. As a
result, despite rates being virtually flat our mutual fund fees were down about 9 million or
about 30% of the entire fee based revenue decline. Mutual fund values appear to have
stabilized for the time being, so the worst, we hope, appears to be over.
Spread based revenue was down 88 million. Remember that spread based revenues are primarily
driven by margin loans and MMDA fees. Margin loan revenue was down 86 million
year-over-year, MMDA fees were down 20 million year-over-year and offsetting these was a
more favorable net stock lending business as well as lower interest expense. But lets talk
margin loans and MMDA separately as the underlying activity of each one is quite different.
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For margin loans over 80% of the decrease was due to lower balances as average margin loans
dropped from 8.1 billion last year to 3.9 billion this year. This coincides with clients
buying power being impacted by the general decline in the markets. The remaining 20%
decrease from margin loans is due to rate declines as our gross yield dropped from 6.6% to
5.1% year-over-year. We have seen the balances and margin loans remain fairly flat at about
3.6 billion early in April. Rates on margin loans remain in the 5.1% range.
For the MMDA, the story is different. The $20 million decrease was primarily caused by a
$55 million decrease due to rates and a $35 million increase due to balances. Our MMDA
program has grown steadily year-over-year and averaged about 3.8 billion more assets in
March 2009 versus March 2008. Offsetting this asset growth, however, was rate pressure
which saw our spread drop from almost 4% last year to 2.83% this year. In this rate
environment, we are experiencing reinvestment rate pressure as the portfolio matures.
Growth in the MMDA balances causes pressures as well as the new investments are made.
However, we believe the rate of the NIM compression on our existing portfolio will slow in
the upcoming quarters. Certainly, growth in the size of the MMDA portfolio will impact NIM
but we would also expect growth of the portfolio to positively impact net interest income.
So lets look at the net interest rate trend on slide 10. As we all know the Fed funds rate
has been in a free fall since December 2007 yet our NIM has had a much slower rate of
decline. This is primarily due to our extension program in the MMDA portfolio. It has
worked exactly as it was designed to do during a weakening rate environment. However, an
extension program can only slow the rate of decline it cannot prevent the decline from
ultimately happening. But more recently our MMDA repricing as well as our margin loan
balance decline has led to an accelerating NIM compression.
Going forward, since we dont expect that the Fed funds level can decline any further, we
think that the rate of NIM compression will slow down given the near zero rate levels that
exist today.
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So all in we believe we are close to the floor on margin rates and the Fed funds rate. We
have also seen a leveling out of margin loan balances recently. Furthermore, we are slowing
the rate of decline on the MMDA dates as I said a moment ago. These are all significant
drivers of overall NIM. Again, the mix of balances and spread based revenues is critical
here. When margin balances come back NIM will likely rise. If the MMDA balances continue
to grow and nothing else changes NIM will continue to shrink. But remember, growth in MMDA
balances is very positive for us. Although the investment rate of new money today is lower
than that same money one year ago, net interest income grows as the MMDA balances grow.
That is really the bottom line for us.
Keep in mind that we are managing for the other side of this cycle and for the long term.
Our strategy with our investments has not changed. We will not reach for yield and add risk
in our portfolio particularly in the rate environment we are in today.
Let me now give you an update on expenses on slide 11. We announced at last quarters
conference call that we were executing on an expense management initiative. We completed
the process within days after that call. The primary expense lines impacted by these
efforts were as follows, employment expense has been lowered as we have eliminated some
positions, reduced incentives in line with lower corporate results and slowed planned
hiring. Also, professional services and other discretionary expenditures have been trimmed
due to closer scrutiny of items such as consulting and travel. We will continue to monitor
our expenses throughout the company to make sure we are properly utilizing all of our
resources.
Now, lets turn to liquid assets for the quarter on slide 12. We started the quarter at
about 1.3 billion in liquid assets and ended the quarter at about 1.2 billion. The primary
source of liquid assets was net income of 132 million. The primary use of liquid assets was
the 428 million that we used to buy back approximately 36 millions shares or 6% of our stock
this quarter completing our current authorization. We do not have any plans to enter into a
new buyback program in the
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near term. For the remainder of the year, we believe our future earnings will essentially
negate the impact the case needed to acquire thinkorswim which as you may remember is
approximately 225 million. We continue to have ongoing discussions with our regulators
regarding auction rate securities, which could potentially require cash. Cash is still king
in this environment and we continue to believe that our approach is quite prudent.
Now, let me give you an update on thinkorswim on slide 13. We believe the acquisition will
close before the end of the June quarter. Since we completed the share buyback I just noted
we will essentially be buying thinkorswim for all cash. Therefore, we will be purchasing
about 60 million in potential earnings plus synergies with cash that would otherwise be
earning next to nothing. We have all ready cleared the Hart Scott Rodino hurdle and filed
an amended S-4 with the SEC on March 26. We are also working to complete other regulatory
approvals from FINRA along with Canadian regulatory authorities. As a reminder, the
integration period is expected to take up to 18 months from close. Our estimated EPS
accretion is outlined for your reference on this slide.
So to summarize, the expected near term headwinds continue but we believe that we are well
positioned for the future. Despite the difficult market we have leveraged our strong
fundamentals to deliver another solid quarter. Our organic growth continues including 115
million in net new assets per day and 33,000 new accounts per day Fred cited earlier. Both
of these numbers are very strong. We continue to have over a billion dollars of liquid
assets that provides us the flexibility needed in these unusual times.
We are reaffirming our full year fiscal 2009 EPS range of 90 cents to $1.15. And finally,
several quarters ago we told what we were going to do to manage through this environment and
we have stayed true to that strategy. The strong organic growth we realized over the last 6
months are a direct result of that perseverance. We have a strong financial position which
we are using to our advantage. In this environment, we announced plans to acquire the
fastest growing competitor in our space. We bought back 6% of our stock at a discount to
our current price and received an
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upgrade to investment grade by the three major credit rating agencies. These are each very
significant accomplishments. And they were all achieved during one of the worst economic
cycles in U.S. history.
Make no mistake there have been and will continue to be tough decisions for us to make as a
management team but we are confident in the strength of our focused strategy. And were
proud of what weve been able to accomplish as a company. We plan to carry that momentum
with us through the second half of 2009.
And with that, I will turn the call over to the Operator for Q&A.
Operator: Thank you. The question-and-answer session will be conducted electronically. If you
would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your touch-tone phone at this time. If
you are using a speakerphone, please make sure your mute function is turned off so it can
reach our equipment. Once again, thats star 1.
Well take our first question from Howard Chen with Credit Suisse.
Howard Chen: Good morning.
Fred Tomczyk: Hi, Howard.
Bill Gerber: Hi, Howard.
Howard Chen: Thanks for taking my questions. Broadly, lots of interest about the resilience of
the retail investor, Fred you touched on it a bit in your prepared remarks but I was curious
in ETF in particular lots of increased usage by the broader market and presumably retail. Any
discussion
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or thoughts about how much ETFs comprise of your trades today and how thats changed over
time?
Fred Tomczyk: ETFs in the last quarter compromised about 20% of our trade in volume. So they are
very popular, Howard. Theyve grown fairly big over the last while.
Howard Chen: And if I thought about that figure like a year ago or 2 years ago, Fred, what would
the ballpark be?
Bill Gerber: Well find it. Well give it to you.
Fred Tomczyk: Ill get that back to you, Howard. I dont have that number but its definitely
grown.
Bill Gerber: Its about ten or ...
Howard Chen: Great, thanks, Bill. And then Bill, interesting cash management strategy that the
management team is speaking to. Can you discuss a little bit of the mechanics of how you see
that as being earnings neutral in the near term. It seems you know with higher yields near
zero rates and potentially increased FDIC insurance premiums, they could all be headwinds and
I want to make sure I understand the offsets on the profitability side.
Bill Gerber: Yes, actually the theres a two-step event thats happening with a good portion of
the money that would not go directly from the money market funds directly to the MMDA program.
It would go from the money market funds to our balance sheet and then 6 months later to the
MMDA program and thats a regulatory requirement that were dealing with.
So that is you know basically keeping the revenue from that move when it comes to our
balance sheet fairly nominal, but because we have to invest that in almost all over night
U.S. securities.
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But when we get the money moved to the MMDA program you just you have more opportunity to
extend. And although youre right with the bank fees and with the now 13 basis points of
FDIC insurance its gotten a little more expensive but net net well make more than were
making on the 30 basis points that were making at this current point after the fee waivers.
Howard Chen: Great. Thanks. Thats helpful. Then following up on that 30 basis points, Bill,
you made a comment about not anticipating having to have incremental fee waivers from here.
Is that stability in the 30 basis points assumption? Is that driven by your outlook for what
broader treasury yields will be doing? Or is there something else that Im missing thats
kind of driving your thought process there?
Bill Gerber: Its really the combination of the assets that are in there in the portfolio that we
dont expect so we will be able to continue to pay the clients and have about a 30 basis
point (pay).
Howard Chen: Great. Thanks so much. Ill hop back in the queue. Take care.
Bill Gerber: OK. Howard.
Operator: Well take our next question from Rich Repetto with Sandler ONeill.
Rich Repetto: Yes, good morning, guys.
Fred Tomczyk: Hi, Rich.
Bill Gerber: Good morning, Rich.
Rich Repetto: Yes, just a follow up on these ETF trading, particularly the FAS and the FAZ, Im
just trying to see is that your top you used to put up on your Web site, the top securities
traded. Is that the
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top security? And just, I guess, Fred, your thoughts on the sustainability of this you know
engagement that were seeing?
Fred Tomczyk: Yes, those kinds of symbols are in the top symbols, in the top ten symbols, Rich.
We do see there has been some increased interest in the leveraged ETFs particularly with
whats happened with the stock prices and volatility which is causing you know the option
premiums to be a little high.
With respect to the trading, I think you know weve been working at this pretty hard and
weve always said we have two primary strategic objectives and you know one has become an
asset gatherer but also a very important one is now that were number 1 in the trading side
as to continue to be number 1 in trading. And I think the message were trying to leave you
with today is everybody just looks at it like it just happened. And the reality is if you
look over the last couple of years you know we have grown our funded accounts by 7%. And
just to put that in perspective, thats 800,000 new funded accounts that we put on the books
in the last couple of years.
So a lot of this is just you know pure organic growth in the market of the organization and
our client base. And we have had lots of success with clients continuing to trade in this
market with the increased risk management tools and techniques and educational programs. We
see a significant appetite there.
And I think thirdly this is a very different downturn were seeing than previous markets.
And you know the last one was all around a tech bubble. This one there is more of a true
recession going on and lots of intraday volatility. And with some segments rising some
segments falling and those kinds of markets particularly have intraday volatility. And the
traders can trade with confidence. We continue to see them trade very, very actively. And
Ive said this before that, I think, we could see an unusual period here because theres so
much news coming out whether
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its from the administration in Washington, whether its companies or a lot more kind of
surprises or insights into things on a daily basis and we saw that yesterday you know with
what happened. Yesterday you know for example our trades were north of 500,000 in the day.
And so were seeing lots of those examples where theres so much information for people to
trade off of and our clients are a lot more confident trading in this type of environment.
So you see very, very different than the previous downturn.
In fact, Fred, I was going to ask whether that 500,000 of yesterday is that included in the
April to date numbers?
Fred Tomczyk: No.
Bill Gerber: No, its not.
Rich Repetto: Because that was your April to date is as of last week or so.
Bill Gerber: As of last Friday.
Fred Tomczyk: Last Friday.
Rich Repetto: So OK. That would make sense given what Im hearing about the where the channel
check is showing even higher than 6.4%. But anyway, moving on, the next question, the
marketing spend of 53 million you have to go back I know the first (cal) in the quarter is a
seasonally bigger spend but you have to go back you know to 06 or 07 to see this sort of
level. And I guess was it ramped up intentionally or was this the initial budget. And then
is this because of the opportunity? And sort of the, you know, the displacement youre seeing
at other firms why you might have spent this much?
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Fred Tomczyk: Well, I mean we keep coming back to the fact that we do think that in this
environment, the dislocation going on has lots of opportunities for us. And I think weve
done very well in doing new business. I dont think were alone in that in the retail
business. And you know so as long as we can invest this and get cost for account like 240 to
280 kind of range and gather business in this type of environment were going to do it.
I do expect it to slow somewhat over the summer months. But as long as we see dislocation,
as long as we see opportunity and as long as we see the marketing working as effectively as
we have in the first two quarters are going to continue to invest. We said were managing
for the other side of the cycle. Weve been perseverant on that and will continue to be.
Rich Repetto: OK. And then my very last question is just a follow up on the cash management and
the money markets moving to MMDA. So Bill it looks like youd have a significant compression.
You know if youre yielding 3.05 and we know thats going to go down but at the same point
youre only making 47 basis points on the money markets going down as well. And youre saying
this is revenue neutral. So I guess any guidance on where that NIM is going to go and maybe
guidance on how by a quarterly how much balance do you see moving into the MMDA in fiscal
year 09.
Bill Gerber: OK. That unfortunately Rich thats the $64 million question there is ...
Rich Repetto: Thats why I asked.
Bill Gerber: Its how much actually can move in there. And certainly as more money moves in the
MMDA program the NIM itself will come down. But we will make more money on that money that is
in MMDA that it is right now sitting in the fee based side on the money market funds. So you
know essentially theres a little bit of timing going on here. Theres obviously not much of
the year. We havent kicked this off yet. So were just about ready to so its going to take
some time to see how it actually all moves. And a big piece of this will be, as I said, going
from the money market
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fund on to our balance sheet which will be almost neutral to slightly negative as we have to
invest that almost all in overnight Fed funds.
So nonetheless, net for the year we expect its going to be for the balance of the fiscal
year, its going to be neutral. Longer term it will be positive in 2010.
Fred Tomczyk: I do think, Rich, just to add what Bill said, I mean we do have this two-step
process in 2009 which is complicating things. We do think down the road this is revenue, this
is to our advantage and its to the clients advantage.
I also have a view when I talk about dislocation that we are going to see some fundamental
changes in the money market fund in this year. If you read the G20 report and the industry
response to that I think theres going to be a fair bit of theres potentially a fair bit
of change in how the whole money market fund industry operates. And we do see we do see
an opportunity here for a revised strategy particularly with the FDIC insured product.
Rich Repetto: Understood. Congrats on a solid quarter, guys.
Bill Gerber: Thanks, Rich.
Fred Tomczyk: Thanks, Rich.
Operator: Well take our next question from Betsy Miller with Goldman Sachs.
Betsy Miller: Hi, good morning, guys.
Fred Tomczyk: Hi, Betsy.
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Bill Gerber: Good morning.
Betsy Miller: Hi. My first question is on margin balances. You noted that both the balances and
the rate had stabilized in April. And you know where do you think is the lower end of where
you could bring that rate to you know in an effort to grow balances? Or do you find that even
in an environment like this customers arent really sensitive to that rate?
Bill Gerber: We have found in the tests that we have done in the past that rate has nominal
impact on the amount of margin that people will take. Certainly for some people its more
sensitive than others. But generally speaking we have run tests over the years at zero.
Weve run them at 1% and people are still putting their principal at risk. And so we have
found all in generally theres a slight correlation between rate and balance but its not
pronounced enough that we would look to lower the rate.
Betsy Miller: OK. Thanks. And then my second question is on the MMDA portfolio, can you
quantify what youre seeing in terms of the new reinvestment rates on that portfolio as
opposed to where the overall portfolio is yielding?
Bill Gerber: Right now, we are keeping that money a little bit shorter for liquidity purposes for
the clients. We think as Fred said were at a historic high rate of 24% of clients cash
versus total assets. And what that represents to us is that theres a lot of dry powder out
there waiting for something to happen. So we intended to keep the portfolio a little bit
shorter in the new investments. And so right now its about 100 basis points when we roll it
over, the spread.
Betsy Miller: OK. Thanks. And then last question is can you just quantify what percentage of
trades options were at this quarter?
Bill Gerber: Nine point eight percent.
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Betsy Miller: Nine point eight. Thank you very much.
Bill Gerber: I can take that out a couple of more decimals if youd like.
Betsy Miller: Thats good.
Bill Gerber: OK.
Operator: Well take our next question from Mike Vinciquerra with BMO Capital Markets.
Mike Vinciquerra: Good morning, guys.
Bill Gerber: Hi, Mike.
Fred Tomczyk: Hi, Mike.
Mike Vinciquerra: The first thing I wanted to ask about theres been some talk in the market that
the rally we had during March was not necessarily created by lets call it true investors
coming back into the market and putting more money into equities. You mentioned, Fred, that
the client cash I think you said it was an all time record 24% or so at the end of the
quarter. Is that higher or lower than it was at any time in the recent past year? And are
actually seeing your clients getting back into the market on a net basis?
Fred Tomczyk: It is high relatively to historic norms, Mike. I do think I think to be careful
here some of this is just math. So the reality is if you keep the same balance in cash and
the market falls the stock market falls by 40% by definition the percentage in cash is
going to rise. But you know like most cycles certain parts of your customer base will move to
the sidelines just waiting until things
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get a little clearer or conserving it for whatever reason making sure they have a fair bit
in safe you know in a very safe and capital preserved way. And so we do see some of that.
I think the rally that you saw here is I mean Im not an you know Im not an expert on
the market but you know I think its I think the economy is such that I dont see we
dont see and were not planning to see anything thats going to tell us the economy is
magically turning around in 2009. I think there are some signs that its not getting worse
but you know its still not healthy.
But historically markets do come back well before the economy comes back. The economy and
things like unemployment tend to be lagging indicators of optimism in the market not leading
indicators. And Id say the same thing about credit losses. They tend to lag the economy,
not lead the economy, (down). I think this one might be a little unusual because it was led
by the real estate and banking crisis.
But I think you know were seeing some people you know theres people are searching
for bottom here and try not to miss on the up side is what we see.
Mike Vinciquerra: Sure. And I know you guys have kind of said that your plans are more
contrarian. So in the rally during March were they, once again, more sellers than buyers?
Bill Gerber: During the during the up days they were selling, during the down days they were
buying. So generally speaking, yes.
Mike Vinciquerra: Got it. OK. Thank you. And then on the FDIC side, when you with this
being your only sweep option for clients going forward, what if your clients have more than
$250,000 in balances? Have you figured out a way to provide FDIC insurance for your larger
clients as well?
Fred Tomczyk: Just for clarity, Mike, it will not be the only sweep vehicle for going forward.
It will only be the only sweep vehicle for our lower tier segments in the retail business.
In the RIA business
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and our higher value segments or higher tier segments on the retail side, they will continue
to have options between money market funds and the MMDA. And the MMDA that those higher
tier clients will have, will have an enhanced yield. So its not the only one.
We are working through the technical and operational things to actually have multiple FDIC
charters. And we expect that to be available later in the calendar year.
Mike Vinciquerra: Got it. And just lastly, would you remind me just when you guys call an
account funded, is that just with any balances or a minimum balance to fall into that
category?
Fred Tomczyk: Its any balance.
Mike Vinciquerra: Very good. Thanks, guys.
Bill Gerber: OK, Mike.
Operator: Well take our next question from Matt Snowling with FBR Capital Markets.
Matt Snowling: Yes. Hi. Good morning.
Fred Tomczyk: Morning, Matt.
Matt Snowling: Hi. The 10 to 14 billion that youre targeting this sweep into the FDIC accounts,
does any of that include (SWIM) client cash?
Fred Tomczyk: No.
Matt Snowling: And what are your plans for sweeping over the (SWIM) cash?
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Fred Tomczyk: When we go through the conversion were still a little early here, but therell
be a combination of free credits and our standard sweep vehicles.
Matt Snowling: OK and...
Bill Gerber: Sometimes Matt, just for clarity, sometimes a lot of people that are very active
traders, they do like the free credits.
Matt Snowling: ...OK. Fair point. Can you give us a sense of how much of your MMDA accounts
reprice this year?
Bill Murray: For the remainder of the year its about 3 billion annually, and so for the
remainder of the year, 1-1/2 billion.
Matt Snowling: OK. Thanks.
Bill Gerber: OK, Matt.
Operator: And once again, that is star 1 for questions at this time. Well go next to Michael
Hecht with JMP Securities.
Michael Hecht: Hey, guys.
Male: Morning.
Michael Hecht: Good morning. How you doing?
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Fred Tomczyk: Good.
Michael Hecht: Just another follow up on the MMDA. Sorry if I missed this but in terms of the 10
to 14 billion, how much of that is of your total you know money market fund assets? I kind of
back into maybe a number close to you know maybe 30 billion or so.
And then I just want to kind of understand the mechanics a little bit more and the value
proposition to clients in the sense of you know what the average yield and I understand
this kind of a moving target so maybe you can just speak to what it is today on money market
funds versus the MMDA.
And then I guess the plan to transition balances. I mean, will that be through a negative
consent mailer? And you know when will those go out? And you know how much time will folks
have to respond?
Fred Tomczyk: OK. Ill try to take those one at a time. The 10 to 14 billion is roughly 1/2.
So the next part was the yields and OK. Yes, the yields the yields on money funds right
now to the clients are you know between zero and five basis points. And so we will be able to
move the clients to something you know 10 to 35 basis points (where) theyll get paid in the
MMDA program.
So the benefit to the client is you know the the guaranty, as an example, from the Fed,
although it was extended you know is not certainly not permanent. So then again, as we
all know, it only affected money that was in your money market fund account as of September
19. All those things you know that we see that as being problematic. The MMDA program,
FDIC insurance, triple A rated bank you know we see that as being a positive. The rate
(belts of) being five basis points on money market funds, 10 to 35 on MMDA. All in, we see
it as being just an overall positive experience for the clients.
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Then we are using negative consents for some of it and we are making a call-out campaign for
some of the other, which gets a little bit back to Rich Repettos question earlier, how much
can you move. You know the negative consent, we have a pretty good idea, but the positive
and the call-out campaign is going to be you know well just have to give you updates on
that as the quarters move on.
Michael Hecht: OK. Fair enough. And then on the new account growth and the strong flows that you
guys continue to see, I mean, it sounds like its continuing to come from the you know full
service firms. But Im just trying to get a little bit more color on you know how much is
actually coming into the core retail business? And then you know in other words, can you also
update us on the RIA business? You know how much of what are client assets (to) at the end
of the quarter? I mean, number of advisors and (in other words), how much of the accounts
inflows are kind of coming into that business and maybe also benefiting from some of the
turmoil at the full-service shops?
Fred Tomczyk: Mike, I mean, theres a number of questions in there. And I think youre asking us
to disclose our net new assets and assets by swept between retail and institutional, which
we do not do.
But to generally answer your question, our RIA business a year ago we said was not
performing to where we would like it to be. Were happy with how its performing now
relative to our peers. You know I have said the last couple of quarters that in my view
with whats all happening in the full commission firms and the buyouts you know the payments
that are being made to the full service brokers and you know just the economics and in this
kind of a market when your clients have lost a fair bit of money isnt the time to go
independent. So we are seeing the breakaway broker market, lots of activity and sales
activity. But you know the close rate is down.
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So you know we just dont see the breakaway broker market, at least in the current market
environment, as healthy as it has been historically in terms of asset flows. But you know I
think over the long term that will return.
Were very happy with how our retail business is doing. We said that last year. Well say
that this year. I think our business model, our multi-channel strategy, our business
referral process, our CSI net from over scores, our market efforts, asset retention you know
we think that the overall model were running here on the retail side continues to do very,
very well, and were very happy with how our retail business is doing.
Michael Hecht: OK. Great. Thanks, guys.
Bill Gerber: OK.
Operator: Well take our next question from Eric Bertrand with Barclays Capital.
Eric Bertrand: Hey, guys. On the MMDA, could you let us know what the period end spread level
was compared to the average of 283?
Bill Gerber: Im going to have to look that one up, Eric. I dont have that one committed to
memory.
Eric Bertrand: OK. And then, at least my interpretation from your prepared remarks is that the
steep compression that we saw this quarter was rather lumpy. Is that fair to assume? Or do
you expect that pace of compression to continue until the rest of this year?
Bill Gerber: We think the compression is going to slow down. And by the way, it was 280 at the
end of March, 280 was the rate. So we do expect that its going to slow down for the rest of
the year, X the moves to you know from MMF to MMDA we just talked about.
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Eric Bertrand: Right. Thats definitely the way I was trying to think about it. And on your
long-term debt, have you guys locked that in at these low levels? Or is that still floating?
Bill Gerber: Its still floating. Were paying about 1.8%, 1.9% right now for the 1.4 billion.
We stayed on the short end of the curve on this one.
Eric Bertrand: Do you intend to lock it in? Or is it going to float back up when we start to see
increases?
Bill Gerber: Right now we debate this, but we dont we currently do not intend to lock it in.
And if you think about it, we have the short assets on the other side, on the client side,
that would also reprice very quickly so it would offset the impact. But right now, we are
we are looking at what to do with the long-term debt in more of a long-term nature you know
coming due in 2012, as you know.
But so today, were leaving it floating, short end of the curve. We are talking about it
but we have no plans to lock it in the rate.
Fred Tomczyk: Were essentially managing at the total balance sheet level. And were pretty much
in sync with you know the matching that we want.
Eric Bertrand: Thats fair. And lastly, on the margin loan, what would you characterize
margin loan balances, what would you characterize the sensitivity there to a market rally? If
we continue to see the market increase here, would you expect to actually see balances
increase?
Bill Gerber: Historically, yes. What happens is the clients usually trade within a range of
their buying power. And as their buying power goes up, we would expect to see the margin
balances to go up. So in one word, yes.
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Eric Bertrand: Despite this actually being the reverse of the last you know couple months.
Bill Gerber: You know again, our clients are pretty astute, as we talked about, and theyve been
through this before. So with history as a guide, thats you know what we believe would
happen. But obviously well have to see if this is different than historical norms.
Eric Bertrand: OK. Thank you.
Bill Gerber: OK, Eric.
Operator: Well take our next question from Joel Jeffrey with KBW.
Joel Jeffrey: Morning.
Bill Gerber: Hi, Joel.
Joel Jeffrey: Hi. Most of my questions were asked and answered. Just a quick follow up or a
quick housekeeping question. Whats the total client option rate security outstanding still?
Fred Tomczyk: On the retail side its about 500 million.
Joel Jeffrey: OK. Great and what was the book value at the end of the quarter?
Bill Gerber: Our book value at the end of the quarter?
Joel Jeffrey: Yes.
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Bill Gerber: Can you calculate that? I dont have that right in front of me.
Fred Tomczyk: About three, isnt it?
Bill Gerber: Are you saying on a per share basis or just total...
Joel Jeffrey: Yes. On a per share basis.
Bill Gerber: ...OK. So (you have) 2.8 billion divided by 581 million.
Fred Tomczyk: Five seventy-three. Well get that to you.
Joel Jeffrey: OK. Great. Thanks so much.
Bill Gerber: OK.
Operator: And it appears we have no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call
back over to Mr. Tomczyk for any additional or closing remarks.
Fred Tomczyk: Well, thank you for joining us this morning. As I said earlier, we certainly are
in one of those environments of one of the more difficult across our industry. But we
continue to be very proud of our results and our organic growth.
We will continue to look for opportunities in this market cycle taking advantage of our
business model and our strong financial position as we manage for the other side of the
cycle and build value for our clients and associates and shareholders.
Thank you and well talk to you again.
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Operator: Once again, that does conclude todays call. We do appreciate your participation. You
may disconnect at this time.
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